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Msg: #2383 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
29-OCT-87 04:05 PM
Subj: #2369 - UFO SFO
From: Jim Delton
To: Jim Rush (X)
You make it sound so simple!!!! You would take all the fun and mystery out of
it!!!!YOu must keep in mind that one of the basic underlying premises of these
visitors is that they do not do anything logical by our definitions of logic.
Makes you wonder how such illogical beings ever found there way here, much
less out of a paper bag.
Msg: #2384 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
29-OCT-87 04:12 PM
Subj: #2369 - UFO SFO
From: Sysop
To: Jim Rush (X)
Alien Commander: I want you to run a routine survey of rural Virginia. Limit
your operation to nighttime only.
Alien grunt: OK. Should I use lights?
Alien commander: Of course, why not? You know their part of our communications
system.
Alien grunt: Well, I thought to avoid detection....
Alien Commander: Detection??? Hell, we've been doing this for forty earth
years, and half the population still doesn't even believe we're here!
Msg: #2401 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
30-OCT-87 04:23 AM
Subj: #2381 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Nick Ianuzzi
To: Jim Delton (X)
I'm not going to enter into a discussion over numerical issues. I would like
to point out, however, that we did not land on the lunar surface with the same
craft that we used to transport us to orbit. It is simply inefficient.
I think you are losing sight of the original discussion. My intent was to show
that a race of aliens may be advanced to the point of possessing the
capability of interstellar travel (the question of the duration of the voyage
is really not an issue here), yet still require lights for observational
convenience.
Msg: #2414 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
30-OCT-87 03:36 PM
Subj: #2401 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Nick Ianuzzi (X)
Well, just to belabor the point further, in my mind at least, there is a whale
of a differeence between travel to the moon, or anywhere in our solar system,
and interstellar travel. My point about lights was that given our own current
abilities at electronic collision avoidance, we don't really need the lights
ourselves if we should choose to pay for the necessary electonic systems. Any
race traveling thru interstellar space would problbly want to have a better
collision avoidance system tehn lights, and certainly would want an active
system, not a passive one; they would want a system that would alert them to
all outside dangers,they certainly would not want to depend on someone, or
something seeing their lights.
Msg: #2423 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
31-OCT-87 04:11 AM
Subj: #2414 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Nick Ianuzzi
To: Jim Delton (X)
True, we have the technology for collision avoidance systems, but as I said,
we have not implemented such systems because they are seldom necessary.
Anyway, any scouting being done by the crew of a spacecraft is likely being
done manually, and I maintain that no matter how advanced the beings, it would
simply make more sense to look around using lights, rather than fancy
image-enhancing gear. Plenty of UFOs are sighted in the daytime, so obviously
the missions are not terribly covert.
Msg: #2433 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
31-OCT-87 07:08 PM
Subj: #2423 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Nick Ianuzzi (X)
I wouldn't doubt they would use searchlight type lights in order to "look
around"; the lights I don't think they would use are the red white and green
navagation lights common to our aircraft but often "seen" on UFO's.
Msg: #2439 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
31-OCT-87 10:03 PM
Subj: #2433 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Sysop
To: Jim Delton (X)
For an example of protracted use of just such red, white, and green lights on
something that is very definitely a UFO, please read the newly released "Night
Siege" by Phil Imbrogno and J. Allen Hynek (soon to be reviewed here).
Msg: #2566 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
07-NOV-87 06:15 PM
Subj: #2439 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Sysop (X)
I am not saying UFO's don't have red, white, and green lights. I am
expressing a belief that the UFO's with those colors are extremely unlikely to
be extraterrestrial. There is no doubt that they are UFO's. I remain amazed
that there is such apparently widespread belief that these UFO's are from
"outer space" rather then some more mundane source.
Msg: #2597 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
08-NOV-87 12:20 PM
Subj: #2566 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Sysop
To: Jim Delton (X)
Jim: A lot of us are looking in that direction, not because we "wish it to be
so", but because of a process of elimination. We have all but eliminated all
earthly sources that we can think of, and that doesn't leave much else BESIDES
extra terrestrial technology.
Msg: #2608 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
08-NOV-87 05:17 PM
Subj: #2597 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: Sysop (X)
Don't forget the bottom of the sea, Jim. There have been a substantial number
of sightings of objects entering and leaving the seas, if I am not mistaken.
Or, am I?
Msg: #2630 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
09-NOV-87 10:35 AM
Subj: #2608 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Steve Gresser (X)
Just for the record, I entered my comments on UFO's from the ocean, prior to
reading your message on same. Perhaps this proves I have ESP or at least
LSMFT.
Msg: #2635 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
09-NOV-87 05:00 PM
Subj: #2630 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Steve Gresser
To: Jim Delton (X)
Perhaps, also, because it is still one of the (if not THE only) major
contendor left in the question. After all, we can now map the entire globe
and almost all of the sea, and read a Russian score card on the USSR's one
golf course.
Msg: #2658 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
10-NOV-87 12:45 PM
Subj: #2635 - UFO SFO
From: Jim Delton
To: Steve Gresser
Just to take your claim at face value, it is hard to imagine that if we are
able to rⁿ{╞┘map the entire globe, almost all the sea, etc etc, we cannot come
up with some of the evidence of the extraterrestials having been here. ²Θ
There are tremendous "plot" inconsistencies in the extraterrestial UFO theory.
The lack of physical proof seems to revolve around the government conspiracy
to withhold the evidence.ÿ╞¼òÆ╥ It seems to be a never ending circle, due in
large part to the almost total lack of evidence for anyone to examine.
Msg: #2629 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
09-NOV-87 10:20 AM
Subj: #2597 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Jim Delton
To: Sysop (X)
I personally cannot see how one can realistically claim to have eliminated all
earthly sources, which are the easiest source to study, and then say that
therefore it lmust be extraterrestial, a source that is obviously much harder
to study. I can see where one could not 100% rule out extraterrestial, but
one cannot 100% rule out that UFO's are from hidden cities buried at the
deepest darkest parts of the ocean. By the same process of elimination that
"you" might say "you" have all but eliminated earthy sources, a process that
is presumably based on the fact that no earthly source can be found, also
would apply to extraterrestial sources, that is, no extraterrestial source has
ever been found either so that by a process of elimination, that too is ruled
out. All one is really left with is the silngle fact that there are UFO's.
THe source is as elusive now as it ever was.
Msg: #2642 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
09-NOV-87 05:37 PM
Subj: #2629 - UFO SFO (R)
From: Sysop
To: Jim Delton (X)
Let's put it this way, Jim: Have you got a better idea?
Msg: #2659 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
10-NOV-87 01:03 PM
Subj: #2642 - UFO SFO
From: Jim Delton
To: Sysop (X)
I don't have any better theory then anyone else's. THe main distinction as I
see°─ it between my position and some others is that in the absence of proof
of any of the theories, I am not selecting on of the unlikely and then giving
it the most credibility. I think the "better idea" was essentially what the
Air Force did, ie Project BLue Book. Putting aside all the coverup and
conspiricy business, the way to appr